Greg Gagne joins Jack Kilby on the GNW podcast to discuss his profession and family legacy with the AWA. Fan questions can be taken…
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Here’s one other well-organized grappler!! Wrestling podcast my title is Jack Kilby Govt Vice President of extensive North wrestling and I am very contented at the fresh time to welcome h a particular person a legendary man from a legendary family in this exchange he can be none as adversarial to Mr Greg G of the AWA F Greg thanks for joining us at the fresh time well thank you Noah for having me on I nearly overlooked it right here I used to be once.
Searching at the golf tournament and I dozed off well it's a it's a heck of a heck of a tournament from what I imprint too nonetheless we adore you taking some uh time away from that to discuss just some of the Salient facets of your profession nonetheless sooner than sooner than we safe into specifics I in fact must inquire of you moral what it was once enjoy rising up in uh this form of legendary.
Household with with your dad who was once a a legendary athlete specifically within the order of Minnesota and uh how how that was once for you uh as a slight bit one inspiring forward did I lose you right here bud we we lost your video sure for some reason aloof possess your audio are you able to hear me k you're assist no enviornment.
Did did you hear originate this on my phone I in total originate it on my laptop so I hit the inferior true that's all true we're we're are residing we'll roll with it I moral wished to inquire of you about what it was once uh enjoy for you rising up uh in in this form of a legendary family with uh with your dad being the anecdote that that he was once and is extremely in in Minnesota with.
His amateur credentials and needless to say the exchange well you imprint it started out uh my dad started wrestling in 1949 after which went on the D Dumont Community in 1950 and indubitably grew to turn out to be the mountainous mountainous critical particular person on the national TV and uh he was once on a week Lu was once the enviornment champion he would attain in infrequently you know.
You had Dick the Bruiser Wilbur Snider uh don Leo Jonathan Yukon Eric uh hardw Hagerty you know some names within the past nonetheless all big big official wrestlers and so once uh once Vern we bought rolling uh they sent him down he wrestled in Minneapolis his first match against Abe King Kong cashy and um he crimson about 18 minutes.
With him he had about a of his friends Bud Grant veteran Viking coach played football with him at Minnesota Billy B and Jim MOSI and Harvey Solen and they had been all guys who played football with at minur they're within the entrance row and Vern stated you know cashy had burned up against the ropes and he hit him and the guys jumped up.
And cashy leaned over and he stated sit down down punks and they all sat down nonetheless the promoters understanding he was once too minute so that they sent us to uh Tulsa Oklahoma and uh my dad had a trailer my mom dad and I drove down to Tulsa Oklahoma and I used to be once about 2 years veteran at the time and he wrestled uh you know the territory down there and he grew to turn out to be uh.
The first week he was once there the sunshine heavyweight champion and I procedure conclude into narrative it vividly even you know come assist and I mean I'm 75 now nonetheless he'd attain dwelling from the matches and all the scheme by from where we the trailer was once was once a drive-in theater and when he'd safe dwelling I’d safe up and he'd set apart me on his shoulders.
And we'd leer the movie couldn't hear it nonetheless I'd sit down on his shoulders and leer it nonetheless you know those are the memories I in fact possess of of assist then and and u turning into the junior heavyweight champion uh he he we easiest lasted about a yr there and they brought him assist uh to Chicago and on the DuPont Community where he grew to turn out to be the US champion and him.
And lues had a whole lot of good matches in fact I used to be once at the U herb Simmons FanFest down in St Louis closing night they order they in fact Bob Orton was once uh set apart into their Hall of Status down there and Randy Orton was once there and did a gigantic job and we bought an opportunity to talk in regards to the veteran time because Bob Wharton's dad wrestled my dad rather loads and uh.
Vern former to say the two guys that indubitably uh when he had bought by with the match that you would possibly well well scrutinize their laces in his rib cage from them kicking was once hunch Smitt and Bob Orton senior rather rough guys so you know those had been my you know Recollections Aid Then and um Vern traveled loads and acquired us a house in in.
Minnesota and uh and we went from there bought a an early fan question from Tony Smith who needs to know who was once the toughest wrestler you knew and he mentions Harley Dawdle or Brad rangin I I accept as true with that's what he meant there oh the toughest well Brad was once a technician Harley was once unbelievable in.
The ring nonetheless two guys that three guys that indubitably was once refined was once King Kong Brody Angry Dog Von and San Hansen those are three that uh I procedure conclude into narrative Jim and I wrestled in Japan we had a impress group tournament over there and uh the teams had been big Bubba and and.
Dory Funk uh jumbo Cuda and tenaro and God I put out of your mind who the assorted group was once after which Hansen and Brody oh yeah Hansen Brody after which Jim and I the four teams and we we wrestled the first week first night um we wrestled uh Cuda and and uh Teno and we obtained that match in about 50 minutes uh subsequent night we had.
Jumbo or big Bubba and Dory Funk Jr who was once the World Heavyweight Champion we obtained that match in about 48 minutes after which the third night we had uh Hansen and Brody and that was once an Awakening they had been so established in Japan and they had very dinky tips over in.
Japan and we're within the ring and right here comes Hansen and Brody and I safe hit with the chain and brunzel with the cowbell out of the ring we wander assist into a wall and hit us with fire extinguishers had been destroy up sooner than the match even started fought our come assist to the uh to the ring and uh we had a terribly rugged match with them and.
In a roundabout scheme we had an enviornment where Jim had taken bro he bought a a true fall kick on him and he went down and he was once coming up on his knees and uh Brody more or less have hugged him and held his fingers in and uh oh no he I had Jim bought BR P came came me by Jim with the tip rope after which and I looked up and Brody I had.
Near off the tip rope with an elbow and dropped him to his knees and he more or less have hugged me with my fingers trapped after which Hansen came flying all the scheme by the ring with that Lariat and that was once the closing thing I remembered in that match so that they obtained that one and we we met them we obtained the relaxation of our matches they.
Were within the finals with us and we we obtained within the finals nonetheless uh those those two characters had been unbelievable and that Angry Dog desan the most unpredictable man you've ever been spherical to your lifestyles he he was once a he was once a median son of a gun was once it was once it always assumed that you would uh safe into the exchange your.
Yourself rising up or had been you ever taking a scrutinize at uh doing something else I used to be once taking a scrutinize to play official football and uh labored laborious at it I used to be once a quarterback um went to the College of Minnesota as a quarterback first yr there Murray price had a slight bit assorted uh philosophy he didn't throw the ball great.
And I used to be once a true thrower and uh we ran the ball loads with mountainous backs and mountainous linemen and I moral didn't qu correct fit in that procedure and I transferred where Wyoming had recruited me went accessible where they threw the ball loads carried out my profession accessible I came assist and I you know I I would possibly well well possess had a pair tryouts with teams and within the NFL nonetheless.
Uh I told my dad I stated I want to wrestle he stated what makes you watched youve been wrestle I stated well you know we've been doing it our whole lifestyles I mean since I've been a slight bit guy he former to transfer the furniture spherical and we wander down and wrestle you know all amateur vogue so I I learned loads that come in fact in high.
College my junior yr I used to be once taking half in basetball with all my friends and uh the coach had called he stated hey uh I've bought one space initiate on the wrestling group I had anyone injured and I I stated I told the basketball C I'm going to wander down and you know take a look at out for him and he bought a slight bit hot about that nonetheless I went down and I pinned each person including the.
Heavyweight and I used to be once about 162 pounds at the time so he stated k you're on the group you're going to wrestle 135 pound weight class stated I don't say I am I went dwelling and told my dad he stated there's no come no you that you would possibly well well perchance't nick that more or less weight I used to be once thin to initiate up with and that would possibly well well possess moral ruined me nonetheless uh anyways so then I went on and uh Fern.
Had the practising camp coming up he had he had subsidized uh the 1972 Olympic wrestling group with Dan Gable on it and we went to the Olympics and he had also subsidized Ken ptia who was once the weightlifter and uh Ken was once going to expose official wrestler when he after the after the Olympics so we came assist in September and I told my dad I wished to.
Verify out and I purchased my partner or teammate of mine at Minnesota Jim Brunel he was once taking half in semi-official football and no longer making any money I stated when don't you give wrestling a crack he stated I don't know suggestions to wrestle I stated well you're going to learn in this this camp and so we had brunzel myself ptia one other guy that we played football.
On the Minnesota nonetheless by no manner played great because he was once a non- predictor was once Ric Flair and we had the iron New kazra vasi who was once on the Ian Olympic group and one amongst the coaches there asked F if you happen to knowledgeable him to be a official and in actuality my mom gave him the title the iron cheek oh wow he was once over at dinner one night she stated you're the iron.
Chek and that caught to him and we had Bob bugers a bob had been taking half in official football and he was once a slight bit bit older it was once a slight bit tougher for him uh the we we we wander six days a week uh 6 hours a day in an veteran barn with light over it and I'm sure a range of folks possess heard that memoir and you imprint it was once moral it was once uh hardest thing we ever did in our.
Existence nonetheless when we came out of there uh Vern checked out us he stated You know guys don't must be petrified of anybody within the exchange and we indubitably didn't imprint that till they sent Jim and I to Atlanta sooner or later we had been alleged to wander down there for a pair weeks and we're going to wrestle Bob whon Senior and uh.
Dick Slater for his or her title and we bought down there and within the locker room room was once a man named Brute Bernard and his supervisor so I went down and I sat down and introduced myself and he turned to me he stated your dad is a something sucker I stated oh yeah I'm sure he felt the same come about.
You and he checked out me as he bought up him and his supervisor went within the assorted room locker room and sat down so I stated to Jim attain on let's wander assist in there with him so we followed him in there and I sat down I stated brute will we possess a enviornment he says no nonetheless it was once the consideration that we bought from coming out of Vern's Camp because I mean.
A whole closing hour we did subm Mission wrestling and uh with him and Billy Robinson instructing us you know holds that no-one within the exchange indubitably knew nonetheless when he clamped it on they knew they had been in be anxious right here's uh one other question from a fan I used to be once going to inquire of you about anyway uh Tony needs to learn about.
Strategies on the passing of OE Anderson I I do know he always spoke very highly of of Vern nonetheless Tony's asking uh was once he as mean as each person says sure he was once it was once it was once humorous because when he was once practising uh my dad would elevate him over to the house after and he possess dinner with us and he always drank a range of milk and my mom there was once four of us.
Within the family had this mountainous gallon or three gallon milk deal within the within the fridge and it had a slight bit hose that came out and that oie would drink about half of of that gallon or two whatever it was once three gallons of milk so we had we had dinner sooner or later and Vern's talking to ollie and he stated God damn it Ollie you know you know you're.
No longer doing this and that and that he says sure my kid can and I used to be once 12 13 years veteran he stated he can fall kick you originate [__] and I fall kicked him nonetheless you know over time uh my father knowledgeable 144 wrestlers and easiest was once one Jean Anderson Lars Anderson Blackjack Mulligan Blackjack Lanza uh.
Ricky Steamboat Ric Flair Sergeant Slaughter I saw him the day earlier than at the fresh time he's aloof talking in regards to the camp I mean each person that came out of that camp always talks about it because it's it's enjoy a fraternity if you happen to made it by that that you would possibly well well perchance make it by the relaxation so uh it was once nonetheless oie was once moral a phenomenal I I safe along with him big.
My dad knowledgeable him and he was once always true to our family nonetheless uh he was once a median guy did did you uh intersect with him when when the AWA uh shut down and you went to work as an agent in WCW within the early 90s was once was once he booking at that time or after I purchased there they had moral let him wander and set apart and Bill Watts was once to blame.
And Bill and my dad had been true friends and and I fit in there true with Bill um and it was once it was once humorous because we had been within the place of job sooner or later and we're booking booking events and he started complaining about something he stated they bought this they bought this original job govt producer I stated well I wander down and apply for it nah it doesn't mean the relaxation they.
Beget Tony shobani uh Jim Ross Eric Bishoff who I purchased him a job at WCW and one other guy uh Joe Pino I believe was once his title and we we uh Mike Graham was once working with me at the time and the two of us we drove to the city for the the the shooting and it was once somewhere in in South Carolina and Bill.
Watt confirmed up that night and he stated well guys uh I purchased fired at the fresh time your original boss is Eric Bishoff I stated to safe be kidding Eric doesn't know didly about wrestling he was once easiest an announcer for us he was once selling ninja suits when he came to our place of job and we came about to safe caught for an announcer because Vincent sto all our.
Announcers uh the day sooner than we had been doing interviews so anyways that's how he bought within the exchange and grew to turn out to be an govt producer and you know I say he did a fairly true job for him yeah utterly wished to uh inquire of you in regards to the your whole um belief with uh a fan indubitably emailed this to me wished me to inquire of you about your whole weasel swimsuit.
Element and and your memories of working with Bobby The Brain Heenan Bobby Heenan was once the wonderful supervisor ever in official wrestling because he can no longer easiest originate it initiate air the ring and on the mic nonetheless within the ring he was once phenomenal nonetheless he had been a thorn in our butts uh we had been the High Flyers and.
Wrestling Bach Mel and Stevens and Stevens and Patterson and any mixture you enjoy to possess and hean was once always there and Jim came up with the title weasel and uh called him that on an interview sooner or later and it more or less caught so afterward he and I believe it screwed up a match that I used to be once in with Slash bowinkle and Wally carbo had been sitting.
There and I stated you know Wally why don't you set apart me in a match with Bobby Heenan a weasel swimsuit he stated what's a weasel swimsuit I stated I don't possess any belief nonetheless I do know what a weasel looks enjoy and you must possess a man that would possibly well make some more or less a swimsuit with a tail on it that looks enjoy a weasel so he came up with it I purchased it I.
Got it so we bought he it in that weasel swimsuit and um it was once phenomenal the match was once I had to beat him within 10 minutes if I beat him he wore the swimsuit if he beat me or I lasted more than 10 minutes then I had to position on it and I beat him at about 958 and he former to talk of uh that as one amongst the highlights of his profession and uh.
Even when it was once resurrected within the WWF with a warrior he always would recount that it was once most provocative carried out with your self yeah he was once uh it was once it was once a it was once a a fan appeal and it indubitably fit him well about a of the uh the younger fans uh that that aren't as conversant with wrestling ancient past uh would possibly well well also no longer imprint that that the accurate Hulkamania belief of.
Course started within the AWA and I purchased a range of questions about um why it was once dispelling you know reality from fiction about why Vern uh didn't set apart uh the belt on them and and there were about a of the infamous um I don't want to say dusty finishes nonetheless interestingly um finishes where he obtained after which one other fan is asking right here coincidentally ample is it.
Merely that uh your dad was once looking out for to region your sister up with Hogan to preserve up him in within the territory he eminent that in his e book I've by no manner heard that sooner than nonetheless no I by no manner heard of it both I didn't learn about it my sister didn't learn about it so I I don't I don't say so I don't say that ever came about you know I used to be once in New York wrestling on a card and I.
Wrestled Johnny rods that night and we had a heck of a match and I came out of came out of came out of the ring and Vince McMahon senior stated to me what was once that and I stated that was once a wrestling match he stated well how my guys going to notice it and I stated well that's their enviornment and I had considered Hulk there after which I went assist for one other time and he.
Was once indubitably struggling and he was once taking into consideration you know I used to be once going to hold it up and I stated well why don't you attain to Minneapolis and within the AWA so we bought your whole wonderful abilities within the enviornment and let let Vern work with you and we'll all work with you and I went assist um went assist and told my dad about him and gave Hulk the.
Number we by no manner heard from him for approximately seven months after which at closing bought call and he came in and his first match was once in Milwaukee nonetheless he didn't originate very true interviews and uh Vern was once true at serving to guys with their interviews and uh they set apart Johnny valantine Johnny Intrepid with him as a supervisor.
So we went to Milwaukee and the region is obtainable out and hulks I don't know perchance on the third match that night and Johnny valant is his supervisor and you know he was once he was once looking out for to be a depraved guy on his interviews with with Intrepid and I went I I assist dwelling I stated geez hey the contributors love this guy then without reference to you who you’ve got gotten with him he’ll also be a you know a.
Substantial critical particular person who come so what we did is we set apart set apart him in impress group matches with Jim and myself a range of matches with us so he would possibly well well safe the waft a match and that we would impress in when we had regulate of the the opponent and recount you know fall a leg hold the arm impress out you know whatever share physique share we had been working after which he initiate up safe the waft.
Of it after which we bought to Chicago and we're within the uh Rosemont Horizon offered out and it's uh the three of us against uh Bach Winkle Stevens and Blackwell and uh we bought within the ring and Hulk came in and he gave that pose of his and I stated Jim hold his T-shirt so we grabbed the t-shirt we tore it off accurate gradual and those folks went enjoy.
That and I believe that was once the day that hul Mania started it started prior to that nonetheless that's when it went wild and he bought the texture for it and why he didn't safe the title there's there's memoir that goes with that nonetheless he wasn't ready at the time to raise a title he wasn't rather there but nonetheless we had a sort out uh CBS.
Had attain to us and Vern and I had to signal a an settlement non disclosure settlement and that was once uh 1983 April they wished Bach winko and Hogan in a title match and uh we couldn't recount the relaxation about it we didn't order to Hogan about it or anybody else as we had this non-disclosure after which uh.
In was once it December of of 82 that's when McMahon grabbed him we had a Fight Royal in in Phoenix Arizona and him and Andre had been going to Japan and Hogan was once on the or Vince was once on the aircraft with him signed him to a contract he came assist we had all Christmas weeks offered out we had him in six-man impress group matches and um he didn't.
Expose and I called him up I stated what are you doing I he stated well I signed a sort out Vince I stated that isn't the come you originate exchange you know originate you’ve got gotten no enviornment you moral order Vern hey I'm leaving nonetheless you fulfill your commitments that was once the you know the most provocative guy that ever did that NE that after when Vince.
Went after him was once Bobby hean he carried out all his commitments sooner than he left and told burn up entrance you know otherwise each person they' pick them off and they’d wander so Hogan you know if you happen to'd waited long gone April there was once potentially a fairly true likelihood he'd were the champion then and we'd possess potentially had a fairly.
Appropriate sort out CBS then after that you know a range of a range of wrestling historians point to the indisputable reality that you know the AWA was once a was once a indubitably Mighty organization a gigantic region to work by come of uh pay P offs and schedule Etc nonetheless uh indubitably was once the major sufferer of as you've already form of alluded to Vince's National Growth.
With the abilities raids Etc that came about what at what point did did uh your father say this this guy's indubitably interested by inserting me out of exchange I don't say Vern ever came to that conclusion um you know we had Vern was once rather true with the abilities you know ver was once a family guy and he gave our abilities.
The total month of Would perchance perchance off within the first two weeks of June after which within the summertime we easiest ran three or four exhibits a week so each person was once dwelling with their households after which from September 1st to the tip of April was once our mountainous mountainous mountainous flee nonetheless we had your whole big abilities there and we had been the wonderful territory we had been from.
Winnipeg to St Louis to the West Fly you know we you know McMahon had the mountainous cities on the East Fly nonetheless he didn't possess the you know we had been going and what we had been doing and with ESPN coming on which you know Hogan overlooked that likelihood too um it would were you know if we moral kept it collectively it would were big nonetheless Vince came and.
Met with us sooner or later after he had taken about a of our abilities and he wished to by ver out he Le that's what he stated he stated I'd desire to you know buy the AWA and well Vern stated up bought you know Partners in Winnipeg and Denver and Chicago and San Francisco St Louis he stated you know I moral can't I purchased to.
Seek the advice of with them by no manner he by no manner made an offer that's all he stated we drove him to the airport he stated thanks loads big assembly bought out walked he stopped sooner than he bought within the door and he turned spherical he yelled out I don't negotiate and Verns stated what did he scrutinize he stated I don't negotiate what did he.
Imply by stated I don't know what he meant that's what he stated who’s aware of he by no manner threw an offer to us or the relaxation Verns moral stated let me safe preserve of my companions and we'll safe assist to you after which after that every of a sudden Hogan after which this guy and that guy then our announcers and uh you know he would originate it at occasions had been indubitably would burn us you know that's how.
Eric Bishop discontinue up being a an answer for us he had taken our announcer that night sooner than we're doing all our interviews for all our markets and our production supervisor hold Bishop he wanted to be within the place of job that day order you know looking out for to promote ninja suits and doing commercials and so he.
Worked with him for two days and subsequent thing you know he's our announcer that's how he bought into the exchange nonetheless um no I believe McMahon knew if he would possibly well well procedure conclude the abilities that He had within the AWA and burn the wonderful territory he would possess it actually well under regulate uh one uh fan is asking right here.
About who was once uh the wonderful payoff promoter I I'm I'm undecided whether or no longer he's relating to that that you labored for or or moral in current within the past in current Vern was once identified because the wonderful payoff and and he paid 33 and a half of% of the uh web uh to the abilities with the principle match getting the most after which on so etc and each person that's.
Where they labored there that's where we had you know we easiest we easiest had 18 or 20 guys nonetheless they had been all most indispensable eventers from The Opening match to the tip and each person wished to work there due to the the destroy day the family time they had and the more or less money they had been making I mean they're we're working you know 240 years or days out of the yr perchance 230.
The opposite guys are working 350 and doing twice on Saturday and Sunday and you know and our guys are making as great money as they are so it was once identified as you know Fern being the wonderful payoff man within the exchange a shoot oh we lost you again yeah I'm sorry no enviornment uh please take a look at your electronic mail now I.
Got to envision my electronic mail for a no it's the it's the same the same hyperlink it obtained it obtained't let me log in uh moral uh click on the uh I'll set apart you out after which we'll click on the same hyperlink again all correct moral equivalent to you potentially did sooner than k well fans we'll uh be assist with uh Greg in a in a sec he's uh doing the interview on his phone and this.
Most regularly happens when we uh when an individual will get a call or a uh text I believe so moral uh give it a 2d and with any luck he'll be assist big interview up to now very attention-grabbing I haven't even scratched the skin indubitably if you happen to possess got gotten any uh questions aloof we're we're compiling them right here and we are capable of be asking as many of them as.
We can with any luck uh sooner than we lose the uh the time nonetheless uh we having a fairly initiate-ended schedule for this interview moral wished to shout out John Gonzalez right here who says soar in Jack Kilby that that can be me and sure we're gonna inquire of some iron New tales uh fizzy he did uh discuss a slight bit bit about uh Eric.
Bishoff as that you would possibly well well even possess considered nonetheless we'll positively inquire of that one again and he's assist sorry correct on no no enviornment sir that is are residing so these items happen and our our fans are are rather are rather attracted to uh in what we're talking about right here I wished to to inquire of you about loads of the fans up right here in Canada first myself integrated as adversarial to.
Journal protection bought uh to ride the AWA by the ESPN contract and those tapings at the the showboat Sports Pavilion in Las Vegas that that we saw so many big matches uh hening against bowinkle that one hour procedure and needless to say the this system with the hour of darkness rockers against uh Summers and sure and Rose moral wished to inquire of you.
About how the uh showbo was once initially how the contract came collectively and how the showboat uh was once chosen and that whole process there when we had been wrestling in California and we had been wrestling in Colorado in Salt Lake City and Verns moral went to Las Vegas to you know originate the TV point to to to in actuality flee the Arenas and the showbo uh made us a.
Substantial offer and in regards to the same time ESPN came on and they stated well why don't we moral shoot shoot it out of uh ESPN out of Las Vegas so it labored out indubitably true for us in Canada they bought the what what was once it it's ESPN nonetheless what originate you call it up there TSN TSN thus SP Community well then and you furthermore mght bought the matches from Winnipeg didn't yeah sure on TSN.
They would tape them in Winnipeg we wrestled there uh you know once a month on Thursdays they’d tape them after which they’d play all of them the scheme by Canada too so I mean we you know the AWA if you happen to scrutinize at it all the scheme by Canada after which from you know winipeg to St Louis of the West Fly it's rather mountainous territory and and positively some uh.
Some some true uh programming there were you had been you the uh the particular person who that set apart the the the booking and the ingenious collectively for those tapings uh we we Vern myself uh Elder rusia uh Wally carbo after which sooner or later had Ray Stevens and Jack Lanza and Slash bowinkle I in Bobby Heenan infrequently you know those are the guys sat.
Then and did the booking one amongst the uh the characters that came to prominence correct by those showbo tapings and and he's more or less developed form of a cult fallowing if you happen to will is the announcer Larry Nelson the unhurried Larry Nelson originate you’ve got gotten any tales about Larry I heard he would possibly well well uh indubitably.
Dangle within the partying Division you hit it correct on the head there there's no longer great more to say after the matches at the showboard he he he would uh he'd possess a true time he was once a gigantic guy though moral implausible did was once did he uh in opposition to the tip of of uh the AWA there's there's some confusion as to.
What came about to him did he did he dawdle out or was once he being scouted by uh New York too you know I don't I in fact don't procedure conclude into narrative I I I wish I did nonetheless I I I don't um he was once so true nonetheless you know he by no manner ended up in New York they would possibly well even possess moral made him an offer after which you know set apart him on the.
Shelf moral to abolish us mhm I mean that's the come Mr McMahon Vince McMahon beloved to work you know uh no longer a true guy no longer L lurry was once a true guy nonetheless no longer Vince sure sure needless to say by come of uh the the official wrestling USA belief wished to to inquire of you that about how that came collectively and and there looks to be.
Reckoning on whose narrative you learn or or or whatnot the indisputable reality that it didn't work due to the uh infighting or warmth between Crockett and Vern and and was once it correct that Crockett was once looking out for to rob AWA Talent too well yeah he did originate that we had a mountainous match in Chicago I mean USA came collectively Vern brought your whole promoters collectively you know from all.
Round that had been aloof combating McMahon and the settlement was once and they’d all you know all possess a recount in who was once going to be on the cardboard and where we going to wander and what we're going to you know your whole thing and we had a mountainous match in Chicago and kamsky park and we had been the crocketts had been interested there with us.
And correct by the matches the crocketts had been going spherical within the locker room and looking out for to signal our abilities so that they had this invis Vision that they had been going to compete against McMahon and they had been going to procedure conclude over the nation and uh you know I don't know moral more or less backfired a slight bit bit on.
All americans nonetheless they couldn't P it collectively because they couldn't agree on the relaxation you know the enviornment was once they must possess had they had they didn't possess one guy up to bustle because no one wished anybody to possess regulate they all wished regulate and in the starting up it was once rolling rather true and we had some momentum.
Going after which uh you know when all that went down and and every little thing else it moral you know you couldn't work with anybody you know leer had his tips Vern had his tips the crocketts had theirs uh you know your whole other promoters that had been interested they had their belief and who they wished inspiring into there and uh it was once too depraved that you.
Know within the event that they’d possess moral all voted on one particular person to make the final possibility you know and that's the come Vern did his booking you know he would let each person soar off tips after which he'd make the final possibility and we all agreed on it nonetheless there we couldn't safe that carried out it was once sad because I believe if we would possibly well well possess we would possibly well well possess potentially given.
Them flee yeah you had a pair of indubitably mountainous uh stadium exhibits including that one in Chicago that talking about um in in by come of your uh the your whole location with uh WCW fan is asking about what you watched of Eric Bishoff denying that Greg uh bought Hogan into.
WCW uh would you equivalent to you right here's how the memoir went down Bishop asked me he stated there's my scare clock uh he asked me how will we exchange this thing spherical I stated the most provocative come is to safe Hulk Hogan well I don't know Hulk Hogan's.
Number I will't safe a preserve of him I stated well I originate and I will give him a call nonetheless right here's the deal I will safe them right here for you or no lower than that you would possibly well well perchance possess a gathering with them nonetheless if you happen to signal him to a contract I need a slight bit percentage of every little thing he does I mean that's easiest pretty k k I stated we'll safe it in.
Writing from Bill Shaw and I'll safe Hogan so a week went by and they dwelling on Fridays and uh I'd be dwelling for the weekend and um came assist uh this this went on for approximately two weeks with Eric and I stated where's the safe the contract Eric we safe dwelling I stated safe the contract.
I'll signal it we we'll safe it going and I came assist on a Monday morning and I walked within the place of job and there was once a mountainous banner welcome Hulk Hogan and I went into B off I stated what the what the hell came about well Bill Shaw and him flew down to his dwelling realized anyone gave him the I don't know if it was once Flair or who gave him the.
Take care of or suggestions to safe a preserve of Hulk nonetheless they did they went down and signed him and I purchased a bishop wasn't within the place of job that week I went dwelling I safe a call on the Friday night he says hey you don't must attain assist assist I stated what originate you mean I don't must attain assist assist you're carried out you're fired and I I told my wife correct there I.
Acknowledged I'm flying down there Monday and I potentially obtained't be ready to realize assist assist because I'm going to throw him out that window on the 14th ground and I used to be once I used to be once going to I went there and he by no manner confirmed up for the two days I used to be once there so that was once the tip of it yeah so he was once the mountainous hero he made every little thing.
Happen uh no longer so that is the accurate memoir it is no longer indispensable what that slight liar says uh a fan needs to learn about uh your I I say about Rick Mar because the champion and his and his flee as because the champion within the firm well Rick was once a gigantic uh big.
Athlete I mean a gigantic wrestler he had the looks and every little thing and uh you know he he carried the belt well I'm sorry oh you're assist one amongst my sons is making an are trying to safe a preserve of me um anyways uh Rick did a true job you know and he was once uh my son uh he was once uh he was once true for the.
Company had been you had been you bowled over to scrutinize what uh New York did with him to your whole mannequin deal and that uh gimmick yeah you know I didn't they possess Vince is a special philosophy than we had you know Vern was once a wrestler and if you happen to came to the AWA you had so as to wrestle if you happen to.
Couldn't you're no longer going to make it there you moral obtained't uh evince you know their their whole vogue accessible right here's right here's a I always give this instance Vern former to be exchange Talent with Vince Senor when Billy Celeb Graham was once right here uh he was once winding up and recount six months so Vern would call Vince and he stated we'll ship you up Billy Graham so that they'd.
Trail up and he'd originate TV for six months up there you know wander in once a week originate the TV and attain assist assist to the AWA then when he when he when he hit New York after he left the AWA they had him correct in a match with Bruno you know and offered out so we would ship him that Talent it would design that championship match for him so he would ship Talent assist to us.
And and the wonderful dissimilarity between the AWA and the W and the WWF at that time was once their vogue was once a range of punching and kicking the AWA you wanted to be to wrestle you had so as to counter holds safe into holdes safe out of holes and it was once it was once a storytelling from wrestling theirs was once all built spherical a persona.
And punching and kicking so that they sent Pedro Morales into us after he lost the title I believe Main Occasion guy he by no manner made it over the third card the third match within the AA the contributors moral did no longer accept that vogue they’d accept it from The Crusher and and madg nonetheless a man.
Adore uh a Pedro it moral didn't work there they wished a man that are you able to know wrestle that was once moral that was once the wonderful dissimilarity between the two two organizations uh and within the AWA you had so as to wrestle a a fan uh also uh wished to inquire of about your whole one other thing that's.
Change into a um a fan well-liked and and uh stuff of uh lore and that's the your whole wrestle Rock Rumble and that that video that uh is realized on YouTube and uh aloof completely-appreciated by the fans and how that whole belief came collectively well we had this mountainous match we had been inserting on and we called it uh we had been we weren't going to call it Russell Min we're had been.
Calling it Russell something and an advert agency in minis stated why don't you call it Russell Rock elevate in a rock critical particular person along with it well we couldn't safe any rockstars booked in time they safe M who would they safe in there uh nation western guy I will't procedure conclude into narrative who it was once Charlie Daniels no um he was once he he staying with Willie Nelson rather loads.
Oh Wayan Jennings k anyone enjoy that and yeah so that they came in and that's what we had nonetheless they they then they promoted it and they made all these slight things with the Russell Rock Rumble you know so that's how that came in regards to the sad agency of Minneapolis came up with the basis the uh your whole uh belief again.
Uh one other fan question of uh Rambo Greg G that that comes up rather loads wished to safe your your procedure conclude on on that enviornment it's potentially the wonderful mistake I ever made nonetheless uh Slaughter was once taking a scrutinize for a partner and he'd carried out something with anyone in Charlotte and uh they understanding I'd be a true fit for uh potentially.
Wasn't have to aloof we wander away it at that yeah I mean he he set apart me by the drills and that and nonetheless you know he wanted a a a lesser a wrestler in there with him you know he would possibly well well possess taken a kennyj or George kadasi and carried out moral in addition with it um you imprint it would were more of a against the T group had been a lesser guy in.
There would possess meant great more I believe than what I did the the AWA saw uh one amongst the first uh if no longer the first uh National publicity of uh Paul Heyman as Paulie dangerously as a supervisor of Adrien Adonis within the common Middle of the night Converse wished to to know your memories of working with him and thoughts on his uh Hall of Status.
Induction this past yr well first he did a gigantic job on his in I even I even congratulate him I sent him a text message he did a phenomenal job and he turned out to be um you know he is as true a talker as Bobby Heenan and he's an antagonist and he's a man that you indubitably want to hate he's bought the scrutinize and every little thing when he came to us he was once.
If reality be told younger within the exchange nonetheless he aloof did a true job as a supervisor and he he built up to now where he's you know he's he's the wonderful accessible correct now that they've bought MH uh nonetheless you know all in all after which that that Hall of Status speech he made was once implausible you know and I believe easiest he would possibly well well originate that did did he uh possess when when when.
He was once within the AWA did did you must give him uh great direction or or was once he rather uh confident in in where he was once going no he wasn't he was once aloof a green so you know he nick an interview after which he'd potentially wander assist and Vern would possess him originate it over I k you're assist bought every little thing going right here on this.
Rattling phone that's k uh anyways uh we Paul dangerously sure Paul that we we had been talking in regards to the uh yeah you know he was once green he wanted back nonetheless Vern would always back folks with their interviews and that's where he was once true you know let's turn turn it this come a slight bit bit nonetheless he had the arrogance about him and you know he usually he.
Wouldn't hear usually he would nonetheless he he's carried out it he he came a lengthy ways you know and um he's he's a Bobby Heenan form by come of the mouth nonetheless you know Bobby had the the ring set apart on too that Paul doesn't uh you know he's the more or less guy you'd desire to safe him within the ring and kick the crap out of him nonetheless uh he moral.
Can't originate that that within the ring which enjoy Bobby Bea did nonetheless as far as a mouth and representing uh Roman Reigns and that whole crew yeah there's no one better than him in in one amongst the uh I I wished to inquire of you about yr are you able to hear me now to safe me nope well we've lost Greg for a 2d we'll with any luck safe him.
Aid uh instant please continue to ship your questions we're we're going to inquire of as many of them as as we can uh within the time that uh permits again that is are residing so these these form of uh these items happen when uh anyone's doing their interview on the phone gonna inquire of Greg uh a pair of questions about impress group wrestling in in this segment uh.
With any luck there he is assist again yeah sorry guys no no no worries sir wished wished to inquire of you in total about impress group wrestling had been a impress group specialist and moral your your thoughts on uh the decline of impress group wrestling in within the favored generation from that golden period after which one question specifically about uh the Road Warriors.
And whether or no longer they modified the the enact on Vern as they they claim they did that's that's a range of ground to quilt sorry I don't learn about which which match are they talking about that they modified I don't procedure conclude into narrative uh Bruiser and uh Crusher um I don't know I don't procedure conclude into narrative I procedure conclude into narrative.
The match nonetheless I don't procedure conclude into narrative them altering the relaxation uh they would possibly well even possess uh you know Bruiser and and Crusher had been come the tip and they had been I don't know if the avenue Conflict had been taking just correct thing about them or what nonetheless uh anyways they had been they had been you know they had been a original breed coming into official wrestling and they had been a pair of.
Horses and they started with oie Anderson and oie told them moral knocked the crap out of each person and because they couldn't wrestle nonetheless they knocked the crap out of each person so that they more or less I don't know I don't recount they modified impress group wrestling t Group wrestling I believe.
Modified though uh you imprint it's it's an art work with impress group wrestling it indubitably is and um God about a of the those who we wrestled was once moral amazing who we learned from you know if you happen to're in with guys enjoy Slash bachle and Pat Patterson and and Ray Stevens Jerry Blackwell and even Hansen.
And Brody you know you learned from them uh we wrestled the Road Warriors about a occasions we didn't possess indubitably big matches with them uh you know because they didn't they wished to originate what they wished to originate I procedure conclude into narrative one night in in a peg uh we had been in a cage match and we had been getting they had been it was once getting out of hand and.
I at closing bought uh we bought Joe down thereius animal and set apart the Indian dying lock on him with the legs M and his legs had been so mountainous you know I purchased thin legs nonetheless I had it locked in and he he stated let me out of right here I'm let me out of right here I'm going to abolish you and he sat up and I slapped him as laborious as I would possibly well well and stated you're no longer going.
Wherever I'm going to interrupt your freaking leg and his legs had been so mountainous and it was once so tight I didn't must set apart great stress on it so that more or less slowed the match down a slight bit bit and let them know that you know we're no longer going to be pushovers nonetheless that's what you had to originate you had you had to wander in and be ready.
For a fight and you know uh what what helped us is because we knew suggestions to wrestle you know and we would possibly well well and we had been ready to manage them a slight bit bit originate you originate you watched that uh Phrase Group impress group wrestling as a as a this form of mountainous appeal within the 80s and and into the 90s clearly we we we don't possess that Focal point anymore uh within the exchange originate you.
Mediate uh given how spicy and and uh titillating impress group wrestling would possibly even be when carried out well originate you originate you ever scrutinize that making a a return to a invent of prominence Welly I don't know you know I moral I don't I I don't scrutinize him focused on it you know we had two Champions we had the enviornment champion and the World Phrase Group Champions and that's.
The come loads of the territories had it that time nonetheless enjoy within the uh WWE you know they had they had some Talent up there and they had impress teams nonetheless I believe the vogue that we had within the AWA and the T teams we had brought brought it preserve to one other stage and the crocketts came in one time and studied our TV and that and they took their our format assist and.
They had big impress teams there too you know you had Ricky Steamboat and uh uh blood is that J younger yeah Jay yeah you know and you had you had you had big teams assist then and Tay group wrestling is indubitably you imprint it's it's an art work it indubitably is and it's uh it's a special assorted ambiance nonetheless I I I do know in a pair match and I I.
Relate it your whole time when we've we've had most of those matches with Patterson and and and Stevens and Bach we had a match in Denver Colorado and Pat Patterson had been out for a while and came assist they had been wrestling him and Ray and they had Bobby hean in their corner and it was once what they called the frigid Main Occasion they.
Hadn't been spherical quickly we offered a building out we had been indubitably hot in Denver and we had a match with them and they had a top wrist lock on us they didn't throw a punch they didn't throw a kick they didn't scrutinize gouch us didn't pull our hair.
And we had an eight minutes we F we'd fight out of it and Bobby Heenan would possibly well safe up on the apron and they pull us down perchance they pull us down by the tights so by the hair and we couldn't safe out of that preserve 8 minutes we had a fleshy-fledged Rebel folks coming in looking out for to set us so there's by no manner a punch or kick thrown.
Within the match moral the tip wrist lock that's that's what official wrestling was once does if you happen to perchance can safe the contributors enjoy that you know you've you've C indubitably grabbed grabbed them and and acquired bought that feeling for them and it was once moral the adrenaline would battle by it was once it was once it was once.
Unheard of nonetheless we had big folks to originate that with you know they had been artists at it they had been big and we learned from the wonderful and and uh we had what they former to call you know uh we would possibly well well promote indubitably well and uh we had a range of fireplace on our comebacks and we would we would blow it out and uh that's what a range of folks.
Beget told us why they beloved being within the ring with us and I'm no longer tur brag about it if you happen to enjoy to must know the causes why that was once it we moral indubitably jelled collectively and uh learned from the wonderful does that make any sense to you yeah yeah AB utterly I mean folks possess pointed to um McMahon uh taking for whatever reason taking the emphasis off.
Phrase group wrestling as as a most indispensable reason for its uh for its decline uh out of I'm undecided why economics are one amongst his whims originate originate you scrutinize that as an pretty uh potentially indicator well he's he he's very tidy at building contributors and personalities and characters.
And S merchandise and um he I don't know what his understanding is why he would safe rid of it unless you don't possess a range of those who can originate it well M you know nonetheless their whole philosophy is you know mountainous stable guys 240 and up and uh you know the WWE to me I mean.
They're they're fingers down the wonderful thing available on the market and they've bought big abilities and and those guys are performing and I I in fact sent a a text to um Triple H the assorted night after I leer that Max with uh Randy Orton and AJ Kinds m that was once an veteran college wrestling match and those folks replied to it they bought emotionally.
Mad by it and that's to us what wrestling was once all about getting those folks emotionally interested by your personality they going to equivalent to you or they're no longer going to equivalent to you uh nonetheless you must and Vern would recount us within the camp he stated now what you must originate guys is you must be who you indubitably are interior don't are trying to.
Be anyone else be who that you would possibly well well be you know if you happen to feel something let your emotions wander don't preserve assist and don't are trying to be you know mountainous stable guy or this or that moral be who you indubitably are and even to your interviews discuss from the coronary heart and that's what I've always taught my guys.
Too and I believe Vince has lost that share of it you know um you're seeing with Triple H working it now and potentially the Rock serving to out they're getting assist to a slight bit more storytelling within the ring sure and and the contributors are reacting to it AB you know to Vince every little thing is moral a to me some extent to right here we wander right here comes the exhibits in town right here we wander and I.
Got this persona is a is a a particular person Mountain Mike and this guy's this and that and you know he did that for marketing and marketing causes you know and Market those contributors that come so uh I moral I'm very confident with what Triple H has inspiring into IR rock that the WWE is going to be I don't know how any else no one can compete with them.
If reality be told a fan is asking sure sir dka 89 is pronouncing hey Greg Dr D David Schultz uh I say he stated some unflattering I lost you again can are you able to hear me now I will't hear you to safe me now no we'll safe you we'll safe you assist are you able to hear me now I will hear you no that you would possibly well well perchance hear me I will't hear you k well.
We uh please attain assist in I'm hitting your whole buttons let me I wander assist out hold on sure sir no enviornment uh moral about to inquire of your question uh dka 89 uh will safe Greg assist to uh conclude out the interview he's been very generous with his time and adore it now you're assist k to safe me now yeah I purchased you now wonderful uh.
D89 is asking about Dr D David Schultz who I say uh stated that uh well some unflattering things about about you uh by come of uh the the most sweet ass wrestler ever bought a push I've by no manner heard of this sooner than nonetheless he's pronouncing originate you care to observation I by no manner heard heard that sooner than originate you procedure conclude into narrative working with him.
Within the AWA or I do know when he was once there I didn't indubitably work with him great he labored with the Hogan that's it was once Hogan's buddy he brought him in so I didn't indubitably work with David that great I wish I KN when he stated that I saw him closing night and in uh in in uh where had been we with uh in St Louis and I’d possess uh stretched him I’d possess SED.
One thing to him yeah he beloved fight was once he was once a cosmopolitan knuckle yeah utterly provocative uh wished to inquire of you about your uh your dad getting inducted into the Hall of Status in 2006 was once was once that a was once that a gratifying or or a bitter sweet moment pondering what Vince did to the AWA oh man I've by no manner checked out it that.
Manner I mean he was once inducted one other Hall of Status uh he was once attending to some extent where he had the all-timers you know and it was once good that they honored him that come um nonetheless again it it it's all political and it's taking into consideration about Vince you know that every right here you imprint it is no longer indispensable what I did Vern right here I'm you know I mean that's moral the come he was once um it had to.
Be true for Vince and it potentially was once nonetheless it was once also true for Fern it was once good of them to position him in there what uh what when if you happen to you take a look at with veteran college fans and uh hear about you know your whole Fawn memories that that we possess for for the AWA what what what originate you watched the uh the.
Lasting Legacy of the AWA is on uh the exchange uh globally and traditionally in explain well you know I wander assist correct now I'm companions at a firm called vitality toown and we Steve rothal who did our Remco toys assist years ago called me up sooner or later he says you enjoy to must safe assist within the uh within the uh doll exchange the.
Action figures and I stated well you know each person's been actually well uncovered I stated the most provocative come I’d originate it is I’d desire to snort the those who built this exchange uh you know 1950 when wrestling came on TV and the names I discussed sooner than lues Killer Kowalski Yukon Eric hmid.
B hagy Wilbert Snider dick the bruer let's let's initiate up within the 50s and design the memoir of how wrestling bought inspiring into the stars that made it in our first flee we did Vern and lues from the 50s we did Hansen and Brody and we did Magnum TA in kri Bon Eric and had big success with it they're very expensive for us to make every mildew price.
Us $27,000 nonetheless so what I did my job job was once to safe Talent we've bought 247 signed that uh now we must construct merchandise for all of them and that's what we're working on and it'll be a whole assorted line uh we've bought the rco line and that.
We're looking out for to safe where every month we've bought original stuff coming out and uh we'll scrutinize we're inserting it collectively and working laborious at it and Magnum TA is a true partner and he does job and so does Steve Ro Thal and uh the two those who make these uh I will't recount their names because they work for one other firm and they originate this on on.
The facet nonetheless they are critical figures if you happen to've considered them so you know that's the direction I want to procedure conclude it I want to snort the those who design this exchange you know uh Vince mcmah is taking it to a original stage nonetheless where was once he in the starting up he wasn't with those guys you know his whole philosophy didn't.
Work with what the 50s projected and how it developed from there so uh males women uh Minute Folks referees promoters we've bought all of them on board and we're g to will we're going to originate a gigantic job and in actuality anybody accessible if you happen to wander wander to our web place powertown wrestling.com we moral did a gigantic four figures for TNA and they're.
Promoting enjoy hot cakes and we bought our subsequent flee coming out it's going to be indubitably true and the one after that going to blow you out of the water I will't recount the relaxation about that one where so moral one more time uh as adversarial to uh the the on-line place would possibly well well would possibly well well you recount the on-line place again where can the fans originate you’ve got gotten every other uh presence on.
Social media or whatnot that well we are trying to originate Instagram and and Facebook uh that you would possibly well well perchance procure us uh ta and I in fact possess a podcast uh it's Magnum this the boss Magnum TA and Greg G and we’re on the Four Horseman Community and uh that you would possibly well well perchance procure us there uh our social media nonetheless it's powertown.
Wrestling.com powertest procure out what we're doing and where we're going with it well we'll we'll make obvious that to position the uh the hyperlink to again yeah oh well we'll moral we'll kick you one more time after which elevate it assist this uh technical difficulties.
Notwithstanding uh an awfully luscious interview with Greg and and I do know there's a range of collectors accessible I've considered uh most of those preliminary figures and and they're moral moral good I’d uh point out that each person wander to the the on-line place we'll possess the hyperlink in h the description for this.
Video with any luck there he is assist oh my God there we wander we're assist uh I I I used to be once moral telling the it's gonna be the longest hour you've ever had with all this no no no it's I I want to thank you uh Greg to your time I used to be once moral telling the fans we'll set apart the hyperlink to the on-line place in uh the description for this video and uh make obvious to to envision that.
Out I in fact adore your your time uh at the fresh time it's been it's been attention-grabbing we'll we'll uh be in contact and and with any luck originate this again sir well know what thank you very great for taking the time with me and again powertown wrestling.com and in addition uh Magnum TA and Greg G the boss Magnum TA and Greg G podcast on the four horsemen.
Community thanks Noah I adore it good well I’m hoping we did k no no that's that's huge we possess technical difficulties and it's are residing nonetheless it was once an good good conversation again I adore your time all correct buddy procedure conclude care and let me know how it goes for you procedure conclude care all correct that's it for this edition of.
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